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if there were to be a deal, of course, biden has been deeply involved since yesterday. when mitch mcconnell reached out to him. that's where it stands rielgts now. chris, part of this, we talked a little bit about procedure. the senate can do just about anything it wants if every senator just agreed to do this lickety-split, that is a huge stretch. at that point, all bets are off. mitch mcconnell has got to get on the same page as john boehner on the house 06 representatives. mcconnell is not going to walk the political bank. so a lot of variables here. the plan, all along, was for the senate to pass this thing and therefore, sort of box in the house. john boehner could present it to his gop conference, his conservatives and say, look, this is the only deal we can get. however, as you report it, it's quite clear now that technically, at least, we're going to be going over that cliff. the house, while they say they could call themselves back into session at any moment for all intense and purposes, they're gone until noon tomorrow. house leaders, their aides say tomorrow
if there were to be a deal, of course, biden has been deeply involved since yesterday. when mitch mcconnell reached out to him. that's where it stands rielgts now. chris, part of this, we talked a little bit about procedure. the senate can do just about anything it wants if every senator just agreed to do this lickety-split, that is a huge stretch. at that point, all bets are off. mitch mcconnell has got to get on the same page as john boehner on the house 06 representatives. mcconnell is not...
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and that is what vice president joe biden is trying to sell the liberals on right now. saying that this is not the threshold that he wanted. but it's something that least gives tax cuts to many americans were making much less than $250,000 per year. and if you don't do that, the taxes are going to go. gerri: all right, we are going to take a break right now. but we will break into programming the minute that anybody goes to the senate if we hear from the vice president. rich edson is covering all this for us on capitol hill. the fox business team is in place here on sixth avenue. two hours left from the fiscal cliff. the revelers are ready to party, and we are here for you all night. back to the programming totion e that injunction against the contraceptive mandate? >> it is a surprisingri, pringlehey lt be >> a christian-based company, and they think that that is part of their credo, and 10mandment l commandments, the golden rule. the living hearing purchase pilt will kill babies. we are not going to do it. but the circuit court, the appeals court said we are going to
and that is what vice president joe biden is trying to sell the liberals on right now. saying that this is not the threshold that he wanted. but it's something that least gives tax cuts to many americans were making much less than $250,000 per year. and if you don't do that, the taxes are going to go. gerri: all right, we are going to take a break right now. but we will break into programming the minute that anybody goes to the senate if we hear from the vice president. rich edson is covering...
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the first one, most importantly, he is missing his dance partner joe biden. he has been kept on the sidelines during negotiations. some republicans think his absence is a sign that the president is not serious about closing a deal. mitch mcconnell is no longer the top republican in washington. it is easy to forget that when he struck a deal to extend the bush tax cuts, boehner had won the house a month before but was not wielding the gavel. finally, mitch mcconnell has stayed on offense. on the senate floor on friday he argued the democrats poisoned the well by declaring boehner's plan b dead on arrival. >> and he is up for reelection in 2014. by all polling, it looks like it will be a lot tougher. he also has a colleague in rand paul, who is a tea partier. you put all those factors together and it could be that mcconnell may have to step up because that is what you have to do to get some sort of deal at the moment, we have not seen that happen. host: from mark williams, what will be specifically affected in the economy if we go over the cliff? guest: instead
the first one, most importantly, he is missing his dance partner joe biden. he has been kept on the sidelines during negotiations. some republicans think his absence is a sign that the president is not serious about closing a deal. mitch mcconnell is no longer the top republican in washington. it is easy to forget that when he struck a deal to extend the bush tax cuts, boehner had won the house a month before but was not wielding the gavel. finally, mitch mcconnell has stayed on offense. on the...
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vice president joe biden who has been trying to influence senate democrats, many of them skeptical to support this deal he is negotiate with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they want this to be much lower rate is placed on the deal for individuals, $430,000 for married couples. what we're hearing now is the drafting is ongoing, national budget office is taking a look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be, senator joe lieberman said a short while ago they will try to vote on this thing at some point this evening as we get closer, adam, less than an hour to go in the year 2012 there is no way this clears the senate and the house before the end of the new year. if the senate passes this tonight or sometime in the early morning hours the house will hol begin considering it tomorrow. there's no real outlook so far as to whether or not this is actually going to pass the house, too early to tell. they are basically saying the senate goes first and then the house. adam: have the senator from ohio saying he w
vice president joe biden who has been trying to influence senate democrats, many of them skeptical to support this deal he is negotiate with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they want this to be much lower rate is placed on the deal for individuals, $430,000 for married couples. what we're hearing now is the drafting is ongoing, national budget office is taking a look k at this to see exactly how much it is going to cost but as it is known with the impact of the deficit going to be,...
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recognizing there will be trouble attracting support for the bill, vice president joe biden returned to capitol hill again today to encourage house democrats to support the compromise he negotiated. after the meeting, the house democratic leaders pushed for up-and-down vote on the package noting it's after the fiscal cliff deadline. >> taxes will go up on everybody in america if we don't act. those who are relying on unemployment insurance, million reconciliation relying up on unemployment insurance to support themselves and their families. if we don't act, we will be at risk. >> the leader emphasizeed bipartisan support up until now. >> a bill passed in the united states senate 89-8. tell me when you have had that on a measure as controversial as this. >> house republicans pushed for quick package arguing it's too late for amendments. >> too late in the game. a point in the deal where it's done, and we keep trying to tinker with it to make it perfect. >> the leadership team were not going to be rushed. >> they had months to look at that. now they are expecting to us vote on somethin
recognizing there will be trouble attracting support for the bill, vice president joe biden returned to capitol hill again today to encourage house democrats to support the compromise he negotiated. after the meeting, the house democratic leaders pushed for up-and-down vote on the package noting it's after the fiscal cliff deadline. >> taxes will go up on everybody in america if we don't act. those who are relying on unemployment insurance, million reconciliation relying up on...
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in attendance will be vice president joe biden. is it going to be difficult to sell your party on this deal? >> well, i think that we're going to come together in about an hour as a democratic caucus and hear the vice president out. there are a lot of good things in this bill that make sense and that i think it will ultimately earn the overwhelming majority of house democratic votes. we made sure that as we committed throughout this last campaign that we would not allow taxes to increase on 98% of americans that's in this deal. we made sure that we pushed off a really significant slashing of defense spending as well as domestic spending and we'll make sure going forward that whatever deal we do reach on those spending cuts is balanced when it comes to both revenue and spending cuts. and that's the overall -- overriding commitment here is we have a balanced plan in front of us and we'll need to -- any further deals made in the future continue to have a balanced plan. >> there are some in your party who don't like this plan. senator
in attendance will be vice president joe biden. is it going to be difficult to sell your party on this deal? >> well, i think that we're going to come together in about an hour as a democratic caucus and hear the vice president out. there are a lot of good things in this bill that make sense and that i think it will ultimately earn the overwhelming majority of house democratic votes. we made sure that as we committed throughout this last campaign that we would not allow taxes to increase...
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vice president biden just said that yesterday. but i want to get your feel for what you think is going to happen. we had a pretty significant 89-8 vote in the senate. dana bash who knows a lot about what's going on in the hallways said she has no idea how this vote could shake down. do you have a sense of how many of your members may vote to support a deal or how many friends may vote to support a deal? >> i don't know. my guess is there will be strong support in the democratic caucus. i don't know what the conference will do. i think essentially the speaker said let the senate do it. now it's back. so i don't really know. but i do think the bill will come up today. the notion there will be amendment, i just don't think that's feasible. i think everybody should plan that after due deliberation the republicans that we're likely to have a vote today. the markets aren't open today. they will be tomorrow. i don't think we should go over the cliff for 24 hours. >> dangling is no fun. thank you for being with us. i sure hope you're hard
vice president biden just said that yesterday. but i want to get your feel for what you think is going to happen. we had a pretty significant 89-8 vote in the senate. dana bash who knows a lot about what's going on in the hallways said she has no idea how this vote could shake down. do you have a sense of how many of your members may vote to support a deal or how many friends may vote to support a deal? >> i don't know. my guess is there will be strong support in the democratic caucus. i...
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vice president biden also here at the white house. he can of course be an incredibly important player in this entire process. president obama's strategy has to some extent been to wage a public campaign putting the pressure on congress to get something done during that exclusive interview earlier today you heard the president accuse republicans of being solely focused on protecting the taxes of wealthier americans. of course, president obama wants to see the bush era tax cuts extended for those making $250,000 or less while letting it raise on those making more than that. that $250,000 figure is up for debate and is up for compromise. i can tell you that republican leaders on the hill fired back saying he was more interested on assigning blame than getting something done and leading while they are trying to hammer out a deal. that is where things stand right now at the white house. clearly watching these developments quite closely. >> kristen welker, thank you. we will be checking back throughout the afternoon, as well. nchlts for mor
vice president biden also here at the white house. he can of course be an incredibly important player in this entire process. president obama's strategy has to some extent been to wage a public campaign putting the pressure on congress to get something done during that exclusive interview earlier today you heard the president accuse republicans of being solely focused on protecting the taxes of wealthier americans. of course, president obama wants to see the bush era tax cuts extended for those...
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yet you see vice president biden on the hill yesterday dealing with the fiscal cliff. if you're going to have two more months of positioning on the fiscal cliff, how deep does the president go on that or does he go on immigration or gun control or energy which he said yesterday is another priority in his state of the union speech and really push? because the white house has to prioritize and right now the economy continues to be the number one priority for the foreseeable future. >> jill, if this fiscal cliff bill does get done is the new congress going to be more or less likely to work with the president on his second term agenda? >> well, the president is going to have more senators to work with, 55 as opposed to 53. that doesn't mean he'll have an easy time of it because republicans can block anything they want in the senate. it depends on what lessons if any republicans took from the election. i do think that the principle gap is very deep and so i'm not sure that we're going to see a kumbaya situation. but as i say, there are some advantages for republicans in mak
yet you see vice president biden on the hill yesterday dealing with the fiscal cliff. if you're going to have two more months of positioning on the fiscal cliff, how deep does the president go on that or does he go on immigration or gun control or energy which he said yesterday is another priority in his state of the union speech and really push? because the white house has to prioritize and right now the economy continues to be the number one priority for the foreseeable future. >> jill,...
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mcconnell and joe biden. so there's an indication of how things are going. >> you wrote that democrats are hesitant to put a deal on the senate floor with no republican backing, because it just offers them a chance to score political points when public opinion does seem to be favoring the democrats. democrats don't have an incentive to waste a show of support for something that can't pass, right? >> that's exactly where democrats are. they feel like they want to get a deal with republican backing, if they can. but remember on friday, the president kind of put republicans in a box. he said either cut a deal in the senate and push it through, or i'm going to ask harry reid to put my scaled back plan on the senate floor. and remember that scaled back plan has tax increases for everybody who makes over $250,000, which republicans don't love at all. i'll have harry reid put that on the floor and you'll have to block it. and you will have to then take responsibility for not pushing it through. so republicans are a
mcconnell and joe biden. so there's an indication of how things are going. >> you wrote that democrats are hesitant to put a deal on the senate floor with no republican backing, because it just offers them a chance to score political points when public opinion does seem to be favoring the democrats. democrats don't have an incentive to waste a show of support for something that can't pass, right? >> that's exactly where democrats are. they feel like they want to get a deal with...
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right now his representative, joe biden, was in the senate for a very long time, is trying to forge a deal with mitch mcconnell. they've had a successful partnership in the past, and harry reid, the majority leader, seems to go along with that. so maybe the outlines of a deal can be between those two principals. then again, we have john boehner, speaker of the house, has to control his own republican party. what happens if mcconnell and biden create a minimal deal and boehner can't sell it, then we're back to square one, which is failure. >> right. which boehner couldn't do with his plan b a couple of days ago. >> that's right. >> the question is, if some deal should be reached, i'm not expecting something that's overreaching, something large, is it short-term? >> very short-term. and then i'm sorry to be the dispenser of bad news, we have the whole fiscal cliff again with the fiscal reputation in terms of the borrowing maximum, the ceiling, which will come due in about a month where they have to raise the debt ceiling. you remember the president said, i'm not going to play that game
right now his representative, joe biden, was in the senate for a very long time, is trying to forge a deal with mitch mcconnell. they've had a successful partnership in the past, and harry reid, the majority leader, seems to go along with that. so maybe the outlines of a deal can be between those two principals. then again, we have john boehner, speaker of the house, has to control his own republican party. what happens if mcconnell and biden create a minimal deal and boehner can't sell it,...
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vice president biden -- i know who that is. that is senator mcconnell's spokesperson up there, don stewart who is regaling reporters with some kind of details about behind the scenes. stu is telling the reporters from the republican point of view. ed, what about from the white house point of view you about how this deal came to be and what it looks like? >> as mike laid out he s exactly right that vice president biden, of course, played a pivotal role. known as the mcconnell whisperer as somebody who when you go back to the debt ceiling debate about a year and a half ago he unsticked that when it was stopped up. he was brought in sort of as the closer again yesterday to try to move this along. it is not a completely done deal yet. as you noted this sequester came about all because the cuts were supposed to be so onerous that lawmakers in both parties would never let them go through and yet they he went right up to the edge here. this is important this s just as mike said a two month buydown. shut out the cuts for two months. co
vice president biden -- i know who that is. that is senator mcconnell's spokesperson up there, don stewart who is regaling reporters with some kind of details about behind the scenes. stu is telling the reporters from the republican point of view. ed, what about from the white house point of view you about how this deal came to be and what it looks like? >> as mike laid out he s exactly right that vice president biden, of course, played a pivotal role. known as the mcconnell whisperer as...
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. >> lawmakers and vice president biden struggling all day on a deal, but no final vote. at least so far. we'll get the latest from the hill and show what this means for you and your taxes starting tomorrow. >> ali is going to be with us for the next hour or two or three. who knows. we're also watching a very serious health scare for the secretary of state, hillary clinton. she's now hospitalized with a blood clot. doctors are revealing where it is. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. >>> we'll get to the fiscal cliff negotiations. there's movement right now, but first, startling new information we're learning about the blood clot that landed secretary of state hillary clinton in the hospital this new year's eve. her doctor is now revealing it's located in her head between her brain and her skull. let's go straight to our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta for the latest. they issued a pretty detailed statement, sanjay. walk us through what we know about the secretary's condition. >> well, what they have told us, just over
. >> lawmakers and vice president biden struggling all day on a deal, but no final vote. at least so far. we'll get the latest from the hill and show what this means for you and your taxes starting tomorrow. >> ali is going to be with us for the next hour or two or three. who knows. we're also watching a very serious health scare for the secretary of state, hillary clinton. she's now hospitalized with a blood clot. doctors are revealing where it is. we want to welcome our viewers in...
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the democrats are said to be going in now and that vice president joe biden who, of course, was key in making the senate deal happen, will be in that caucus, we're told. big questions, though, still outstanding. when might the house vote on this deal? can speaker boehner come up with the votes to pass it? or will republicans try to amend it and end send it back. good day. happy new year. i'm chris jansing. there are a lot of moving parts on capitol hill. let's get right to nbc's luke russert who is on the hill and where things stand. first, let's listen into the start of this session. >> the speakers are in washington d.c., january 1, 2013. i hereby hereby appoint the honorable robert j. dole to act as speaker in temporary on this day, signed john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. >> the prayer will be offered by our chaplain father conroy. >> let us pray. eternal god, we give you thanks for giving us another day, a new year. the political struggles of the past year have revealed the divisions that exist in our nation. there are many american citizens who are angry,
the democrats are said to be going in now and that vice president joe biden who, of course, was key in making the senate deal happen, will be in that caucus, we're told. big questions, though, still outstanding. when might the house vote on this deal? can speaker boehner come up with the votes to pass it? or will republicans try to amend it and end send it back. good day. happy new year. i'm chris jansing. there are a lot of moving parts on capitol hill. let's get right to nbc's luke russert...
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senator mcconnell and vice president biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there perhaps still could be a path forward. the one thing that is a, you know, democrats come out and made a big deal out of chained cpi, republicans are very concerned that if that not be used as an offset to reduce or to replace some of the spending cuts that you would occur in the sequester, that democrats put forward an alternative and so this is a process. obviously, there's a lot of give and take going on now, but republicans don't want to see new revenues, in other words, democrat tax increases, be used for new spending. so that's sort of where many of our members have drawn the line now. >> that is where it times to be one of the big road blocks are right now, democrats -- you-all want to use what's known as chained cpi, which is a technical -- i won't get into it now but would effectively really affect social security recipients to replace the sequester, which is $100 billion in cuts and democrats want to use new revenue from tax increases to replace the sequester. is that where you see i
senator mcconnell and vice president biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there perhaps still could be a path forward. the one thing that is a, you know, democrats come out and made a big deal out of chained cpi, republicans are very concerned that if that not be used as an offset to reduce or to replace some of the spending cuts that you would occur in the sequester, that democrats put forward an alternative and so this is a process. obviously, there's a lot of give and take going...
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vice president biden has worked very hard to come to a compromise. by definition, a compromise has elements in it that each party does not like. but by definition, it has things in it that each party should like. the speaker said that if the senate passed a bill he would put it on the floor for a vote. the leader has pointed out that we expect that to happen. we think that's the best interest of the american people. we hope that our colleagues on the other side of the aisle can reach compromise. our members are reviewing the specifics of the compromise that has been reached to determine whether they can support that compromise. i'm hopeful this congress will, as one of its last acts, act not only on this compromise, but i'm also very hopeful and would expect that we would provide the emergency assistance needed for the victims of sandy. one of the country's worst storms in history that damaged the northeast so badly. so, i'm hopeful we will be able to move on both of these issues and that we will have members on both sides who perhaps will not agree,
vice president biden has worked very hard to come to a compromise. by definition, a compromise has elements in it that each party does not like. but by definition, it has things in it that each party should like. the speaker said that if the senate passed a bill he would put it on the floor for a vote. the leader has pointed out that we expect that to happen. we think that's the best interest of the american people. we hope that our colleagues on the other side of the aisle can reach...
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president take blame for pushing us off the clif >> well, it was apparently, from the white house, by joe biden, the vice president has been negotiating and the story according to our producers up on the hill there was an agreement to try to deal with the sequestration by having both the democrats and republicans make their own proposals that could be considered and voted on. adam: peter this, is urgent. this is just crossing right now. republican u.s. senator john mccain says automatic spending cuts to be delayed for two months under tentative fiscal cliff deal. that would seem to me we're going to get a vote at some point this evening on the tatax portion with the delay. we get it in the senate and then it would move to the house and latourette is saying house members have been told to stay close. they may be called back to continue fiscal cliff negotiations. >> yep. you have got the wires right there. and so there had been some conversations, some reports that there might be a two-month or 90-day sequestration, a delay in the sequestration as part of trying to get through this to buy the con
president take blame for pushing us off the clif >> well, it was apparently, from the white house, by joe biden, the vice president has been negotiating and the story according to our producers up on the hill there was an agreement to try to deal with the sequestration by having both the democrats and republicans make their own proposals that could be considered and voted on. adam: peter this, is urgent. this is just crossing right now. republican u.s. senator john mccain says automatic...
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i mean, in the end, it became mitch mcconnell and joe biden. the majority of lawmakers essentially cut out of the process, including, arguably, the speaker. so, how can things be done differently if you're going to do things like getting the debt ceiling taken care of, like figuring out the sequester? >> well, this was a unique situation because we did have the fiscal cliff and we had a lame duck congress. what i think we have to start trying to do is return to what's called around here regular order. there really is no such thing in this congress. but what that means is that the committees actually consider the bills. and the thing that is really the challenge for us is to get republicans and democrats to be working on these committees, talking about the different issues and trying to come up with some compromises. right now, it's just an all-or-nothing proposition, and the republicans have the majority in the house and it's their way or the highway. the senate filibuster is a big impediment. and in the old days that people speak about with so
i mean, in the end, it became mitch mcconnell and joe biden. the majority of lawmakers essentially cut out of the process, including, arguably, the speaker. so, how can things be done differently if you're going to do things like getting the debt ceiling taken care of, like figuring out the sequester? >> well, this was a unique situation because we did have the fiscal cliff and we had a lame duck congress. what i think we have to start trying to do is return to what's called around here...
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and that is, that senate minority leader, of the republican, mitch mcconnell and vice president biden have spoken. they've spoken twice. and the two of them have a history of cutting deals together. they were able to cobble together the debt deal that got us through the debt negotiations and kept the country from defaulting back in the summer of 2011. does this mean it will happen again? no. but it at least means there is a line of communication open between democrats and senior democrat and republican and the possibility that who knows, maybe there could be a path forward and this very late hour. ali, i'm not saying there will be. >> which is why nobody is saying we're done. nobody is saying this is over. you know, for the last few weeks, most people will recall that the conversations have been between president obama, at least the public ones, between president obama and john boehner. john bain certificate sort of sitting this one out. it's now harry reid, the senate majority leader, the democrat, and mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, the republican and joe biden has been
and that is, that senate minority leader, of the republican, mitch mcconnell and vice president biden have spoken. they've spoken twice. and the two of them have a history of cutting deals together. they were able to cobble together the debt deal that got us through the debt negotiations and kept the country from defaulting back in the summer of 2011. does this mean it will happen again? no. but it at least means there is a line of communication open between democrats and senior democrat and...
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we reported that joe biden, the environment, is in the building. our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to come through he and meet with all of the senate democrats for the meeting you were talking about with the senator. sounds as though they're doing a little talking about -- a little bit of a game plan about how they're going to present this to the caucus, and obviously, that's a very delicate issue for reasons we have been talking about. the democratic caucus, many of them are not happy. in fact, i have to tell you i was told by one democratic senator when they put up on a screen, they put up yesterday in a meeting that democrats were having, they put up almost
we reported that joe biden, the environment, is in the building. our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to...
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we also know as you see him arriving only a matter of hours ago that the vice president, joe biden, has been meeting in the white house, as well. but at this point, that's where things stand with barely 100 hours until we reach this deadline. luke? >> absolutely unbelievable. at least bo obama came back with the president there. thanks so much for being on the show. we appreciate it. >>> we're five days away and john boehner has released the house telling the senate it's up to them to come up with a deal that his chamber will pass. paul contain, chris frazier, they both join me now. paul, i want to start with you. one thing that we all seem to be hearing is that -- and the markets start to tank, it will spur these guys to figure out some sort of deal. >> dow jones had a three-month chart that showed where the dow has been. we see there, went down, up, now it's steadily going down towards since plan b failed. do you think that's the only hope of getting a deal. >> it's not the only hope, but it has been sort of a missing actor for the last five or six week. that when it started going bac
we also know as you see him arriving only a matter of hours ago that the vice president, joe biden, has been meeting in the white house, as well. but at this point, that's where things stand with barely 100 hours until we reach this deadline. luke? >> absolutely unbelievable. at least bo obama came back with the president there. thanks so much for being on the show. we appreciate it. >>> we're five days away and john boehner has released the house telling the senate it's up to...
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>> well, joe biden and mitch mcconnell are older school politicians. they remember a time when compromise was how you close deals like this. and there are a lot of, i guess, mostly younger members up there who don't remember that time. they view their job is to go to washington and create conflict and have grid lock. that doesn't mean that their caucuses will certainly be with them. that is no surprise to me that vice president joe biden is talking with them. it is not a slam dunk, i suspect it will, especially if it passes the senate with a significantly bipartisan vote. you have some real deal makers. >> what do you think that this really means in your opinion, to the average american taxpayer? whether, you know, with the threat we may go over the cliff, and now we may really not. what difference did this really, really mean and if you could put it in plain words for us who are not economists, just explain what it means for all of us? >> well, first of all it means that if you're someone who is a beneficiary of long-term unemployment benefits, you're
>> well, joe biden and mitch mcconnell are older school politicians. they remember a time when compromise was how you close deals like this. and there are a lot of, i guess, mostly younger members up there who don't remember that time. they view their job is to go to washington and create conflict and have grid lock. that doesn't mean that their caucuses will certainly be with them. that is no surprise to me that vice president joe biden is talking with them. it is not a slam dunk, i...
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tonight it's between senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. we're some of the last people in the building. i know -- come on through, guys, if you want. there's one of the crews that -- the worker crews are starting to come into work tonight. we're the last reporting crew. all the members of congress have pretty much gone. the republicans in the house were meeting late tonight to try to talk about what to do, in the end this is what our producer deirdre walsh heard from them. the message is just sit tight, stay tuned and i think what we have to do, don, is find out tomorrow morning, whether there is any progress between senator mcconnell and vice president joe biden. there is definitely hope. there is not a lot of time. >> let me tell you this, lisa. when you see the workers there, and the crew that -- and those are the people who these negotiations are about. every day americans who work these types of jobs, who are every day americans and so there you go. i think that is absolutely tells the story. >> don, i want to -- >> go ahead. >> i want
tonight it's between senator mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden. we're some of the last people in the building. i know -- come on through, guys, if you want. there's one of the crews that -- the worker crews are starting to come into work tonight. we're the last reporting crew. all the members of congress have pretty much gone. the republicans in the house were meeting late tonight to try to talk about what to do, in the end this is what our producer deirdre walsh heard from them. the...
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senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and vice president biden negotiated details. senators feel if they change it, they are going back on the deal. republicans in the house said they never signed off on the deal, it was between the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president and should be able to work its will and change the proposal. diane, as you pointed out they have to get something done through both houses of congress by january 3rd at noon. if not, all these bills and proposals expire and they have to start voting all over again. >> that is all we need, back to the drawing board, right? >> rich. we hear that even though it is called the fiscal cliff or it is nicknamed the fiscal cliff that the effects won't be felt immediately. technically we're already there but i wonder how long, is there any sense on capitol hill when effect will start being felt by the american public? >> well we got guidance from the irs last evening and they're basically telling businesses they don't have to begin withholding at current tax rates, which are tax rates w
senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and vice president biden negotiated details. senators feel if they change it, they are going back on the deal. republicans in the house said they never signed off on the deal, it was between the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president and should be able to work its will and change the proposal. diane, as you pointed out they have to get something done through both houses of congress by january 3rd at noon. if not, all these bills and...
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>> you heard vice president biden. the white house has put forth a deal and gotten some republicans is in leadership so go along with this. is a big step. we're going to see the republican party rear its ugly head and see how rogue they want to be in going against the majority of americans. very clear. you look at every poll out there protect social security, medicare, medicaid. in this round, that's exactly what the white house did. republicans want to go against that, they have to deal with it in 2014. they want the wealthiest americans to pay for. that's what will happen in this deal. republicans will have to deal with that down the road this will bring more money into the treasury and won't hurt the middle class. the middle class has been protected in this deal and that's exactly what the president said he would do all along. and this is a monumental move by the republicans if they vote for this, there will only be two republicans that ever voted for a tax increase. for the president to keep this, is it's dig deal.
>> you heard vice president biden. the white house has put forth a deal and gotten some republicans is in leadership so go along with this. is a big step. we're going to see the republican party rear its ugly head and see how rogue they want to be in going against the majority of americans. very clear. you look at every poll out there protect social security, medicare, medicaid. in this round, that's exactly what the white house did. republicans want to go against that, they have to deal...
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that is exactly what vice president biden is hearing right now. the key question is how deep and how broad that is. it will be interesting to see whether they come out of this meeting thinking that they need to rewrite a couple of points in the bill which would put off any deal tonight yet again. if they have to go back to republicans because of what they are hearing in the room that is bad news fora deal and you suspect the longer this goes on the more likely that is what is being discussed. >> bret: i agree with you. this is actually a long meeting at 10:40 when you are supposed to potentially move legislation to the senate floor tonight to take action potentially for the house to act tomorrow. stephen dinal with the washington times. thank you very much. i'm getting a lot of tweets from people who just are tired of fiscal cliff coverage. they just want to see megyn kelly and bill in times square dancing gangnam style or whatever they are doing. >> happy new year. >> take me out of fiscal cliff, washington. >> see yew in a minute, bret. happy ne
that is exactly what vice president biden is hearing right now. the key question is how deep and how broad that is. it will be interesting to see whether they come out of this meeting thinking that they need to rewrite a couple of points in the bill which would put off any deal tonight yet again. if they have to go back to republicans because of what they are hearing in the room that is bad news fora deal and you suspect the longer this goes on the more likely that is what is being discussed....
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biden made his way with the senate majority leader. there he is, making his way to a caucus meeting, where vice- president biden tried to sell the steel to his members, and he was able to get a majority of democrats to vote for this deal, all but three. the ap at this photo of the vice-president after that caucus meeting with all the rank-and- file. he came out and game -- and gave a thumbs-up after he was able to talk to the rank and file. there he is. even though the house was on a session, the washington times reports that the country technical felt that this will cut. there is still little bit of time. -- allen in fairfield, illinois, republican caller. all of let's get rid of congress, fire them, vote them out of office. host: why is that? caller: they are not doing them -- doing what we want them to. host: which is what? caller: to the deficit down, and do what we put them in there to do. host: how should that be done, alan? caller: i'm not sure about that. host: social security, medicare, medicaid? caller: they should be on the
biden made his way with the senate majority leader. there he is, making his way to a caucus meeting, where vice- president biden tried to sell the steel to his members, and he was able to get a majority of democrats to vote for this deal, all but three. the ap at this photo of the vice-president after that caucus meeting with all the rank-and- file. he came out and game -- and gave a thumbs-up after he was able to talk to the rank and file. there he is. even though the house was on a session,...
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president obama, vice president biden, mcconnell, pelosi and reid and boehner are meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff. we are hearing the president's planning to present a smaller offer. for the latest, we bring in peter alexander from the white house and mike viqueira from capitol hill. peter, let's talk about what's going on at the white house meeting. i hear senators are optimistic about a mini deal which, of course, will raise taxes on those above $400,000. expand the amt, cut some spending. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, hearing a lot of different things right now. one of the items and ruled by rumor and then denials and frustrations, toure. we know that we saw senators mcconnell and reid arriving a short time ago. we didn't pelosi and boehner arrive yet but the vice president joe biden got here a short time ago, as well. there's other reporting from the hill right now about the potential that the president is going to return to what was basically his original outlined plan. perhaps a smaller plan but a plan where the threshold would be set closer to $250,000 as he ini
president obama, vice president biden, mcconnell, pelosi and reid and boehner are meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff. we are hearing the president's planning to present a smaller offer. for the latest, we bring in peter alexander from the white house and mike viqueira from capitol hill. peter, let's talk about what's going on at the white house meeting. i hear senators are optimistic about a mini deal which, of course, will raise taxes on those above $400,000. expand the amt, cut some...
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that's why biden is here on capitol hill. so with that mindset, they're moving forward in these talks and they're more than happy to have more fights over the debt limit, more fights over government funding which they think can elicit more of what they want from the president. now, democrats say, okay, we're getting a big concession with the $400,000, but president obama is smart in this case. he's going to get the tax threshold that he wants from republicans, and instead of giving them the cuts he had already promised boehner in the talks before, upwards of $1 trillion in social security and medicare, he can come back around and do that during the debt limit negotiations so he's essentially going to win out. remains to be seen whether or not that holds true and whether or not we get to your broader point, the country wants to go through another one of these in just a few months. >> luke russert, thank you. mike viqueira, kristin welker. help new year. >> happy new year. >>> when we come back, the latest on secretary of state
that's why biden is here on capitol hill. so with that mindset, they're moving forward in these talks and they're more than happy to have more fights over the debt limit, more fights over government funding which they think can elicit more of what they want from the president. now, democrats say, okay, we're getting a big concession with the $400,000, but president obama is smart in this case. he's going to get the tax threshold that he wants from republicans, and instead of giving them the...
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maybe 7:30 where vice president biden will update the caucus on the state of the deal. senate democrats we're told have not signed off on the deal. after the caucus there is an expectation of votes around possibly 10:00 p.m. maybe later. as we get word about the senate action. and knowing about it. but it will be a while. 10:00 p.m. we're going to be back here at 8:00 p.m. you were saying about this deal, we rudely cut you off before. that the entitlement reform is not specific on the republican side. democratic side, frankly there is no spending cuts in this deal. no additional spending cuts. >> there this is the other part of this. obama doesn't -- obama believes in stimulating the economy through spending. he doesn't believe in making all the cuts. so again, like you are asking him to adopt a world view he doesn't have. >> bret: even though he talked about it many times. >> he does talk about it. >> expounding upon it. fixing social security and medicare. >> anybody who reads paul krugman, grand pubah of economics on the left his worry that the deficit will be reduce
maybe 7:30 where vice president biden will update the caucus on the state of the deal. senate democrats we're told have not signed off on the deal. after the caucus there is an expectation of votes around possibly 10:00 p.m. maybe later. as we get word about the senate action. and knowing about it. but it will be a while. 10:00 p.m. we're going to be back here at 8:00 p.m. you were saying about this deal, we rudely cut you off before. that the entitlement reform is not specific on the...
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, the name we haven't heard is vice-president joe biden. what's the significance of them bringing him in in the 11th hour discussion? >> i think it's important because he was in delaware this weekend and all of a sudden, suddenly, rushed back to the white house early today and that's significant because when they had things all boxed up a year and a half ago on the debt ceiling and looked like they'd hit a brick wall, it was joe biden reaching out to mitch mcconnell and bridged the divide and magically had a deal and some senior aides who say joe biden might be the key to unsticking this, afternoon biden and mcconnell worked on the debt ceiling, many years in the senate, obviously, together and that's why they have that relationship, there's some in the white house who call the vice-president the mcconnell whisperer, as if he has some sort of magic potion that bring people together. >> stuart? >> can i just ask you, ed, if there's any deal you've heard of that's bandied around here, any deal at all from either side which would cut spending
, the name we haven't heard is vice-president joe biden. what's the significance of them bringing him in in the 11th hour discussion? >> i think it's important because he was in delaware this weekend and all of a sudden, suddenly, rushed back to the white house early today and that's significant because when they had things all boxed up a year and a half ago on the debt ceiling and looked like they'd hit a brick wall, it was joe biden reaching out to mitch mcconnell and bridged the divide...
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vice president joe biden taken the lead in the talks. negotiating with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they spoke and narrowed down the differences. among the points with headway, the tax hike threshold, the estate tax and extending unemployment benefits. the remaining sticking point is rumored to be the automatic spending cuts. collectively called the sequester you have been hearing about poised to kick in tomorrow. let's get to nbc white house correspondent kristen welker there for us. what was the point here? the president decided to come out and that bully pulpit can be a powerful weapon. >> reporter: certainly can be. good afternoon to you, t.j. the president using the bully pulpit. this is a part of the pressure on congress but also democrats who might be skeptical of this compromise that is coming to fruition so he came out today with middle class americans standing behind him and made the argument if we do, in fact, go over the cliff, if the steep tax hikes and spending cuts kick in to effect tomorrow, that the average am
vice president joe biden taken the lead in the talks. negotiating with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they spoke and narrowed down the differences. among the points with headway, the tax hike threshold, the estate tax and extending unemployment benefits. the remaining sticking point is rumored to be the automatic spending cuts. collectively called the sequester you have been hearing about poised to kick in tomorrow. let's get to nbc white house correspondent kristen welker there for...
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on sunday morning mitch mcconnell calls joe biden. they get together, offers are traded back and forth, and presto, voila, they come up with a deal and they put it on the floor and it sets those thresholds at $400,000 and $450,000 and it's passed at 2:00 last night and so it comes to the house republicans who have met all morning. joe biden incidentally was back on the hill this morning meeting behind closed doors with democrats who are pretty much bystanders to a republican political train wreck at this point. nancy pelosi says the bill representing gigantic progress, that's fine, but this is really on republicans right now. and people are looking at it, i'm already hearing people looking at what house republicans are doing and saying, look, you abdicated your responsibility to write a bill. you punted over to the senate, and now you're going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole thing and make us come back perhaps in a new congress with a clean legislative slate. so it is a very dangerous not only economic situation here that we'
on sunday morning mitch mcconnell calls joe biden. they get together, offers are traded back and forth, and presto, voila, they come up with a deal and they put it on the floor and it sets those thresholds at $400,000 and $450,000 and it's passed at 2:00 last night and so it comes to the house republicans who have met all morning. joe biden incidentally was back on the hill this morning meeting behind closed doors with democrats who are pretty much bystanders to a republican political train...
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from another complan et on high the latest we heard is mitch mcconnell has had to reach out to joe biden to try to get something done. what does that say about the president? >> the president's strategy is stay above it all blame the republicans if things don't succeed and assume if we go over the cliff the republicans will get the blame. if they get the blame you know what there is a fix. the president will be the guy who comes in on the white horse to fix things in the new year. it's a political strategy. i agree with you. i wish you were negotiating but bottom line this is all politics when it should be the good of the country. >> when doug says stay above the fray, do you think the president has stayed above the frey? >> he took a shot at john boehner on meet the press. presidential leadership trying to get the deal done doesn't take the political shots even when they are easy because you are trying to get the deal done. the big deals don't happen without presidential leadership. this is good politics but it's not good policy. it may be good politics makes bad policy. >> isn't the pr
from another complan et on high the latest we heard is mitch mcconnell has had to reach out to joe biden to try to get something done. what does that say about the president? >> the president's strategy is stay above it all blame the republicans if things don't succeed and assume if we go over the cliff the republicans will get the blame. if they get the blame you know what there is a fix. the president will be the guy who comes in on the white horse to fix things in the new year. it's a...
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vice president biden is in charge of that task force. they've been given a deadline of january to present ideas to the president. the president gives his state of the union address in early february. and then it's off to the races and trying to get something done. so the idea that the president isn't going to push hard on doing something about gun safety, gun control, however you want to talk about it i think is a little bit ludicrous. julian and james, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> happy new year. >> stay with us. much more ahead. >> many new year. >> happy new year. in this country we say happy new year. >> ha, ha, ha, ha! safety, gun control, however you in this country we say happy new safety, gun control, however you in this country we say happy new >>> stay with us. the day's "top lines" are coming up. ♪ i heard somebody say ♪ burn, baby burn ♪ disco inferno ♪ burn, baby burn >>> fireworks and old friends, champagne toasts and resolutions. oh, and that dreaded fiscal cliff. here are today's "top lines." countdown to sk
vice president biden is in charge of that task force. they've been given a deadline of january to present ideas to the president. the president gives his state of the union address in early february. and then it's off to the races and trying to get something done. so the idea that the president isn't going to push hard on doing something about gun safety, gun control, however you want to talk about it i think is a little bit ludicrous. julian and james, thanks very much. >> thank you....
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in previous budget battles, joe biden has been the closer on these deals. his coming back from delaware might be a sign they are moving a little closer. that will be something to watch. the whole thing about changing cpi and reining in cost of entitlements, republicans are judging in on that. take a listen. >> one of proposals we made was something called change cpi but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on social security. highly unpopular among democrats not something supported but to strengthen social security in the long time i'm willing to make those decisions. >> reporter: in the morning, the president seemed to be opening the door to rein in those entitlements and then you heard harry reid shut the door on it. the president was talking in the context of reining in entitlements in a four trillion dollar debt deal not in the last minute deal, he would be willing to do that in much broader debt deal. but when you talk to republicans ron johnson from wisconsin, the real problem the president is not willing to rein in sp
in previous budget battles, joe biden has been the closer on these deals. his coming back from delaware might be a sign they are moving a little closer. that will be something to watch. the whole thing about changing cpi and reining in cost of entitlements, republicans are judging in on that. take a listen. >> one of proposals we made was something called change cpi but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on social security. highly unpopular among...
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mcconnell had been working with senate majority leader harry reid, but he and biden have gotten things done when working together in the past. can they do it now? let's go to dana bash. dana, what do you think? is it promising? can they go it now? >> reporter: well, let's start there. it certainly has happened before between these two men, and it's happened before when democrats on capitol hill are either split or have gotten, frankly, just too frustrated with the republican counterparts to have conversations to be able to find bipartisan agreement. these are the two men who negotiated an extension of the bush era tax cuts for two years. that happened two years ago when republicans had a lot of political capital because they just won the house in a big way. whether or not these two men are actually going to be the ones to strike a deal, we're not sure, but we are told, our ted barrett and jessica yellin and i are told by multiple sources that it does seem that at this point, at this late hour, the talks are primarily centered around and between these two men, between mitch mcconnell, t
mcconnell had been working with senate majority leader harry reid, but he and biden have gotten things done when working together in the past. can they do it now? let's go to dana bash. dana, what do you think? is it promising? can they go it now? >> reporter: well, let's start there. it certainly has happened before between these two men, and it's happened before when democrats on capitol hill are either split or have gotten, frankly, just too frustrated with the republican counterparts...
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. >> you mentioned vice president biden swooping in at the last minute like superman and being able to secure this deal and that's certainly the perception a lot of people had. we heard mitch mcconnell speaking on the floor and he said this shouldn't have taken this long. certainly, there have been discussions about this for months. so in terms of the political drama that was playing out behind the scenes, how did this happen this waif? all of the sudden, at the 11th hour, well passed the 11th hour, we're voting at two in the morning on this measure. >> well, just as the way things happen in congress. nobody does anything until their back is completely against the wall. and i've got to say, maura, it's not all said and done for all the reasons we've outlined. the house of representatives still has to act. there could yet be some hiccups if not major explosions along the way here. but, you know, i mean, in order for people to come together, they've really got to have their backs up against the wall. and if you can say one thing, one remarkable thing about what's happening here on the se
. >> you mentioned vice president biden swooping in at the last minute like superman and being able to secure this deal and that's certainly the perception a lot of people had. we heard mitch mcconnell speaking on the floor and he said this shouldn't have taken this long. certainly, there have been discussions about this for months. so in terms of the political drama that was playing out behind the scenes, how did this happen this waif? all of the sudden, at the 11th hour, well passed the...
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bernstein, msnbc contributor and former chief economist and economic policy adviser to vice president joe biden. that's just some of the details as you so well know here but let's remind ourselves, though, of this word that we have been using. that was termed by mr. bernanke. he called it a cliff. but really -- >> right. >> it is like falling down stairs, isn't it? >> right. more so a staircase or a slope in the sense that some of the damage you just described actually takes a while to arrive and if congress is able to quickly reverse the cliff dive, it could be more and i have heard folks use this, more of a bungee yump to get back up to the cliff. >> at the end of the day, right. >> the tax increases you noticed, these are tax increase that is are fazed in over the course of 2013. so it's not until april 2014 when you're filling out the tax bill for the prior year that you would be looking at some of the increases you just described. now, a couple of nuances, though. the payroll tax cut that's been in effect, the 2% on your paycheck of a payroll tax break, that does go away right away. and pe
bernstein, msnbc contributor and former chief economist and economic policy adviser to vice president joe biden. that's just some of the details as you so well know here but let's remind ourselves, though, of this word that we have been using. that was termed by mr. bernanke. he called it a cliff. but really -- >> right. >> it is like falling down stairs, isn't it? >> right. more so a staircase or a slope in the sense that some of the damage you just described actually takes a...
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vice president joe biden will be there. while some appear ready to compromise others are still ducking, dodging, trying to dump the blame elsewhere. >> we all have our ideas and in the senate, you're right. we probably another 40, 50, 60 of saying that we're ready to both raise revenues and control entitlements. when's the missing ingredient? it is presidential leadership. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff, namely taxes going up on middle class people. >> it's pretty apparent that we are not going to do what we've been called to do. this is 112th congress. we have had two years to deal with quote the fiscal cliff. >> let's bring in our man at the white house, peter alexander standing by. pete, we just got word the president it appears is making some sort of smaller offer at this 3:00 meeting. any idea what smaller might mean? >> reporter: it's a good question, craig. actually kelly o'donnell reporting some mo
vice president joe biden will be there. while some appear ready to compromise others are still ducking, dodging, trying to dump the blame elsewhere. >> we all have our ideas and in the senate, you're right. we probably another 40, 50, 60 of saying that we're ready to both raise revenues and control entitlements. when's the missing ingredient? it is presidential leadership. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> am hopeful there will be a deal...
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joe biden does not often serve in his capacity as president of the senate. but today was ditch. today joe biden had an incredibly important job to fulfill. >> do you solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which you're about to enter, so help you god? >> i do. >> congratulations, senator. >> thank you. >> and welcome. >> congratulations, senator. stayed the united states senate got a brand new member. democratic -- democrat brian schatz of hawaii. senator schatz was appointed by hawaii's governor last night to fill the vacant seat of senator daniel inouye, who passed away a week ago. brian schatz got on air force one late last night. he touched down in washington early this morning. and he was a senator by this afternoon. that is a big day. so senator schatz, welcome to washingto
joe biden does not often serve in his capacity as president of the senate. but today was ditch. today joe biden had an incredibly important job to fulfill. >> do you solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties...
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that joe biden, the negotiations with mitch mcconnell essentially borne fruit. republicans annoyed with that. the tax threshold, that's agreed upon. republicans agree, too. what about this sequester? supposed to be the trigger, supposed to be the apocalyptic scenario that made cuts in spending necessary. otherwise we go over the cliff and there are cuts to defense and domestic programs. the president wants to delay them two months, three yearmonta year. many republicans say, absolutely not. many were angry he chose to have a campaign-style event in the white house complex. mitch mcconnell took the floor of the senate and pretty much calling the president's bluff saying, yes, we have an agreement on taxes. let's go ahead and vote on that. leave the sequester the way it is. that's not going to fly. we have an impasse here. there have been reports that the house of representatives to take whatever passes the senate if something passes and do it a minute after midnight. that scenario of steve and i and all of us talking about voting to cut taxes or not. i'm told rec
that joe biden, the negotiations with mitch mcconnell essentially borne fruit. republicans annoyed with that. the tax threshold, that's agreed upon. republicans agree, too. what about this sequester? supposed to be the trigger, supposed to be the apocalyptic scenario that made cuts in spending necessary. otherwise we go over the cliff and there are cuts to defense and domestic programs. the president wants to delay them two months, three yearmonta year. many republicans say, absolutely not....
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the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench, right. this is kind of what we all had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer in the debt ceiling debate. those two guys swooped in at the end and helped make a deal happen. when i talked to mcconnell's folks last week, they said, you know, the vice president has been on the sidelines here. we have not been contacted by them. we have not been contacted by the president. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to call joe biden today and try to jump-start these negotiations when they locked up with the majority leader on the democrat side. that will be something to watch in the coming hours. democrats are concerned he will cut a bad deal. they're feeling pretty good right now. will joe biden come in an emboldin the republicans or will the dems hang together across pennsylvania avenue from the white house to congress. a big storyline that we're all watching very closely. >> now that we here that they
the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench, right. this is kind of what we all had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer in the debt ceiling debate. those two guys swooped in at the end and helped make a deal happen. when i talked to mcconnell's folks last week, they said, you know, the vice president has been on the sidelines here. we have not been contacted by them. we have not been contacted by...
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joe biden is saying, yeah, 2016. maybe. >> he is not going through the ritual of saying -- he is clearly it does interest me. it's hard to -- i would separate this from presidential politics. as hard as that is for somebody like us. >> come on. it's tough. i do think this represents the fact that at the end of the day particularly in your intense dead looirn situation personal relationships do matter. two men that have been in the senate and know each other. i don't know of if i particular affection, they know each other and they know what makes the other tick. they know what the other incentives are. the personal relationships can matter. there's no question. i think it will give sort of credibility to joe biden's standing, and they will show the value of that kind of institutional knowledge and seniority. >> they say it's the deal and it's the program meter is 450,000 with an extension of the patch in amt and extension of unemployment benefits and all these sorts of things. are both sides able even if they're not r
joe biden is saying, yeah, 2016. maybe. >> he is not going through the ritual of saying -- he is clearly it does interest me. it's hard to -- i would separate this from presidential politics. as hard as that is for somebody like us. >> come on. it's tough. i do think this represents the fact that at the end of the day particularly in your intense dead looirn situation personal relationships do matter. two men that have been in the senate and know each other. i don't know of if i...